Berkshire Hathaway (BRK)

Re: Berkshire Hathaway (BRK)

Postby mojo_ » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:59 pm

ucypmas wrote:He has explained (though not in great detail) that the bets are on whether some equity indices (e.g. S&P500) will not perform to a certain level in 15-20 years time.

Drinking coke and eating See's candies the whole day long and skipping the veggies, maybe he reckons he doesn't have to worry what happens in 15-20 years time.. Image
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Re: Berkshire Hathaway BRK

Postby blid2def » Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:20 pm

Haha very sharp. You evil man! :D
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Re: Berkshire Hathaway BRK

Postby mojo_ » Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:38 pm

No lah, just kidding... think his lucky dna will ensure he's around for a long time to come. Think he will again be proven right in the long run... he always draw a lot of cynics and sceptics.. :)
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Re: Berkshire Hathaway BRK

Postby millionairemind » Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:06 am

November 20, 2008, 1:16 pm
Would Buffett Find Berkshire a Value?
Posted by David Gaffen
In markets like this, nobody is immune to the selling, not even Berkshire Hathaway Inc., the multi-faceted conglomerate run by Warren Buffett that has developed such a reputation for value investing that it has become regarded as somewhat of a value play itself.

But the class B shares of the stock have declined by nearly 45% since hitting a 52-week high of $5059 a share on Dec. 11, 2007. Some of this can be attributed to investors applying selling pressure across the board, even for a less-liquid stock like Berkshire, but that’s not to say a yellow flag or two has not cropped up with this seemingly safe investment.

Berkshire’s credit-default swaps, a measure of insurance against default on debt, have risen dramatically in the last few weeks, and reflect a higher cost of insurance than the remaining brokerage firms like Morgan Stanley. As of Thursday it cost $490,000 to insure $10 million in bonds against default, compared with $270,000 on November 7, according to brokerage Phoenix Partners Group.

The rise in the cost of this insurance stems from worries about put contracts (the option to sell a stock at a given date at a given price) sold to buyers at about $4.85 billion, and that Berkshire might be on the hook for as much as $37 billion — but not until 2019. Still, these positions have been marked down, and those buying insurance are doing so to protect themselves against losses.

In addition, in recent weeks, the credit-default swaps has seen a marked decline in liquidity and trading, so a smaller amount of insurance contracts purchased can still cause large shifts in prices of a particular credit-default swap. “It only needs a little bit to move the market a long way,” says Tim Backshall, chief credit derivatives strategist at Credit Derivatives Research. “It doesn’t make any sense, except the rest of the markets don’t make sense either.”

A similar dynamic exists in the equity market, which has become cautious on Berkshire shares as the price of its credit insurance has risen. But this is not the only reason for the stock’s decline. The company has posted four consecutive declines in profit due to investment losses and insurance costs, and it may take time before it recovers, as insurance rates continue to decline. Its reputation is not enough of an enticement for some, as the stock often carries a premium because of its well-regarded management.

“The insurance business which is a significant portion of their earnings, is a very cyclical business,” says Harry Rady, CEO of Rady Asset Management in San Diego. “With everything else at an extremely significant discount, I see a lot more downside. There is so much opportunity to buy assets for 50 cents on the dollar, why buy a dollar for a dollar because Warren Buffett runs it?”
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Re: Berkshire Hathaway BRK

Postby LenaHuat » Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:10 am

Someone juz commented that the sell-down of BH was certifiably crazy.
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Re: Berkshire Hathaway BRK

Postby ucypmas » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:28 pm

Well the entire market is down so there is no reason to expect that any stock (especially one like Berkshire with a well-publicised equity holding) will not be vulnerable to a selldown. Most of Berkshire's blue chips are down over 30-40% from their peaks.

There's a lot of theories around the selldown, but I think the outcome is just a reflection of very poor investor confidence in stocks in general leading to market declines.

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Re: Berkshire Hathaway BRK

Postby LenaHuat » Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:50 am

Not bad, after last nite's rally:-
Berkshire's drop from its December, 2007 all-time closing high, which was close to 50 percent yesterday, has been cut to "only" 39.7 percent.
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Re: Berkshire Hathaway (BRK)

Postby ucypmas » Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:21 pm

The market does what it does. It goes up, it goes down.
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Re: Berkshire Hathaway (BRK)

Postby millionairemind » Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:42 pm

Y can't they turn to our GIC/Temasek?? If only we have all this good deals at 10% or 15% for Harley... we wouldn't have dug ourselves into a hell hole with our reserves... :?

Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway buys Tiffany bonds
Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:35pm GMT

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[-] Text [+] By Jonathan Stempel

NEW YORK, Feb 13 (Reuters) - Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway Inc (BRKa.N: Quote, Profile, Research)(BRKb.N: Quote, Profile, Research) has agreed to buy $250 million of debt from luxury jewelry maker Tiffany & Co (TIF.N: Quote, Profile, Research), the latest in a string of high-yielding investments by the billionaire investor.

New York-based Tiffany said it sold Berkshire $125 million of eight-year notes and $125 million of 10-year notes, all yielding 10 percent. It said it will use the proceeds to refinance debt and for general corporate purposes.

The investment marks at least the seventh time since September that Berkshire has gotten at least a 10 percent payout by buying company bonds, preferred stock, or convertible securities.

Many companies are turning to Berkshire for financing as the global credit crisis makes it too difficult or costly to raise money from institutional investors.
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Re: Berkshire Hathaway (BRK)

Postby ucypmas » Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:38 pm

Obviously, these investments are not sexy enough for the battalions of highly paid personnels at Temasek and GIC. C, BAC, MER, UBS, Barclays, StanChart makes a more compelling story, especially the "growth" and "bright future" bits.
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