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Re: Oil & Gas

Postby HengHeng » Sat May 31, 2008 12:56 am

Issue is oil is a intangible commodity. No matter at what price it would still be needed. Thus pushing inflation further upwards. Using the feedback loop. It is would seem like an endless loop. To me sooner or later this loop would break and thats when commodities prices would have a sharp downturn. I would be prepared if something like this would happen.

It could be due to many reasons. What i forsee is issues with IRAN( the nuclear thing and holding of oil might have dragged too long) , it is just a matter of time before Iran gets the same treatment of Iraq expecially with oil prices going to the roof i don't think China would be interested in helping them. Which leaves them with Russia.

They probably can't do much to them at the moment , north sea is running out oil and without china's support , russian powers might not be enough to entrench US's efforts of getting their oil.

Whatever i'm going through might not happen as they might be going through trade embargos and some other different ways. But it would lead to the same outcome. I would expect things to happen probably next year when US would declare reccession. Thats the time to accumulated assets expecially when assets like properties have a lagtime behind most investment like stocks and FDs.
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Re: Oil & Gas

Postby millionairemind » Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:24 pm

Just finished reading this article in this week's The Economist... tot you guys might enjoy it.

http://www.economist.com/finance/displa ... d=11453090

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Double, double, oil and trouble

May 29th 2008


Is it “peak oil” or a speculative bubble? Neither, really
AFP

AFTER oil hit its recent record of $135 a barrel, consumers and politicians started to lash out in every direction. Fishermen in France have been blockading ports and pouring oil on the roads in protest. British lorry drivers have paraded coffins through London as a token of the imminent demise of the haulage industry.

In response, Gordon Brown, Britain's prime minister, is badgering oil bosses to increase production from the North Sea, while Nicolas Sarkozy, the president of France, wants the European Union to suspend taxes on fuel.

In America, too, politicians are haranguing oil bosses and calling for tax cuts. Congress has approved a bill to prevent the government from adding to America's strategic stocks of oil, and is contemplating another to enable American prosecutors to sue the governments of the Organisation of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) for market manipulation.

But the most popular scapegoats are “speculators” of the more traditional sort. OPEC itself routinely blames them for high prices. The government of India is so sure that speculation makes commodities dearer that it has banned the trading of futures contracts for some of them (although not oil).

Germany's Social Democratic Party proposes an international ban on borrowing to buy oil futures, on the same grounds. Joe Lieberman, chairman of the Senate's Homeland Security Committee, is also mulling regulation of some sort, having concluded that “speculators are responsible for a big part of the commodity price increases”. The assumption underlying such ideas is that a bubble is forming, and that if it were popped, the price of oil would be much lower.

Others assume the reverse: that the price is bound to keep rising indefinitely, since supplies of oil are running short. The majority of the world's crude, according to believers in “peak oil”, has been discovered and is already being exploited. At any rate, the size of new fields is diminishing. So production will soon reach a pinnacle, if it has not done so already, and then quickly decline, no matter what governments do.

As different as these theories are, they share a conviction that something has gone badly wrong with the market for oil. High prices are seen as proof of some sort of breakdown. Yet the evidence suggests that, to the contrary, the rising price is beginning to curb demand and increase supply, just as the textbooks say it should.

Stocks, bonds and barrels
Those who see speculators as the culprits point to the emergence of oil and other commodities as a popular asset class, alongside stocks, bonds and property. Ever more investors are piling into the oil markets, the argument runs, pushing up the price as they do so. The number of transactions involving oil futures on the New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX), the biggest market for oil, has almost tripled since 2004. That neatly mirrors a tripling of the price of oil over the same period.

But Jeffrey Harris, the chief economist of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC), which regulates NYMEX and other American commodities exchanges, does not see any evidence that the growth of speculation in oil has caused the price to rise. Rising prices, after all, might have been stimulating the growing investment, rather than the other way around.

There is no clear correlation between increased speculation and higher prices in commodities markets in general. Despite a continuing flow of investment in nickel, for example, its price has fallen by half over the past year.

By the same token, the prices of several commodities that are not traded on any exchange, and are therefore much harder for speculators to invest in, have risen even faster than that of oil. Deutsche Bank calculates that cadmium, a rare metal, has appreciated twice as much as oil since 2001, for example, and the price of rice has risen fractionally more.

Investment can flood into the oil market without driving up prices because speculators are not buying any actual crude. Instead, they buy contracts for future delivery. When those contracts mature, they either settle them with a cash payment or sell them on to genuine consumers. Either way, no oil is hoarded or somehow kept off the market. The contracts are really a bet about which way the price will go and the number of bets does not affect the amount of oil available. As Mr Harris puts it, there is no limit to the number of “paper barrels” that can be bought and sold.

That makes it harder for a bubble to develop in oil than in the shares of internet firms,
say, or in housing, where the supply of the asset is finite. Ultimately, says David Kirsch of PFC Energy, a consultancy, there is only one type of customer for crude: refineries. If speculators on the futures markets get carried away, pushing prices so high that refineries run at a loss, they will simply shut down, causing the price to fall again. Moreover, speculators do not always assume that prices will rise. As recently as last year, the speculative bears on NYMEX outweighed the bulls.

There is, admittedly, a growing category of inherently bullish investment funds that seek to track commodity-price indices, in which oil is usually the biggest component. Politicians have begun to denounce these “index funds”, since they make money for their investors only if prices rise. According to Mr Lieberman, they have grown in value from $13 billion to $260 billion over the past five years. This surge of investors betting on rising prices, many observers contend, has become a self-fulfilling prophecy, helping to push prices ever higher and thus attract yet more investment.

But Bob Greer, of PIMCO, an asset-management firm, argues that even index funds make unlikely suspects. For one thing, they too invest in futures, rather than in physical supplies of oil. So every month, they must trade contracts that are about to fall due for ones that will not mature for several months. That makes them big sellers of oil for prompt delivery.

What is more, their growth is not as impressive as it first appears. Paul Horsnell of Barclays Capital, an investment bank, puts the total value of index funds and other similar investments at $225 billion. That is less than half the market capitalisation of Exxon Mobil, he points out, and a tiny fraction of the $50 trillion-odd of transactions in the oil markets each year. Although index funds have grown quickly, that growth stems in large part from the rise in value of the futures they hold, rather than from fresh investment flows. He estimates that index funds swelled by $13 billion in the first quarter of this year, for example, of which all but $2 billion derives from the rise in commodity prices.

Back to basics
Mr Harris of the CFTC, for one, believes that the oil price is still a function of supply and demand. For the past few years, the world's production capacity has grown only sluggishly. Meanwhile, demand, especially from the developing world, has been growing faster. So there is hardly any slack in the system. Only Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates are thought to be able to increase their output from today's levels, and even then, there are doubts, since Saudi Arabia, in particular, is secretive about the state of its oil industry.

That leaves the oil market at the mercy of even small disruptions to supply. Prices tend to jump each time militants sabotage an oil pipeline in Nigeria, bad weather threatens production in the Gulf of Mexico, or political clouds gather over the Persian Gulf.

The problem is exacerbated by a growing mismatch between the type of oil being produced and the refineries that must process it. The most common benchmark prices, including the one used in this article, refer to “light” crude, the least viscous sort, which produces the most petrol and diesel when refined. “Heavy” oil, by contrast, yields more fuel oil, which is used mainly for heating.

At the moment, diesel is in short supply and there is a glut of fuel oil. That makes processing heavy oil unprofitable for some refineries, since the gains from diesel are outweighed by losses on fuel oil. As refineries turn instead to lighter grades, it pushes their prices yet higher. The discount on heavier crudes has risen to record levels. But even then, points out Ed Morse, of Lehman Brothers, another investment bank, Iran is having trouble selling the stuff. It is storing huge quantities of unsold oil on tankers moored off its coast.

Presumably, Iran and other heavy-oil producers will eventually be obliged to drop prices far enough to make processing the stuff worth refiners' while. In the longer run, more refineries will invest in the equipment needed to crack more diesel out of heavy oil. Both steps will, in effect, increase the world's oil supply, and so help to ease prices.

But improving an existing refinery or building a new one is a slow and capital-intensive business. Firms tend to be very conservative in their investments, since refineries have decades-long life-spans, during which prices and profits can fluctuate wildly. It can also be difficult to find a site and obtain the right permits—one of the reasons why no new refineries have been built in America for over 30 years. Worse, new kit is becoming ever more expensive. Cambridge Energy Research Associates (CERA), a consultancy, calculates that capital costs for refineries and petrochemical plants have risen by 76% since 2000.

Much the same applies to the development of new oilfields. CERA reckons that the cost of developing them has risen even faster—by 110%. At the same time, oilmen remain scarred by the rapid expansion of output in the late 1970s, in response to previous spikes in prices, that led to a glut and so to a prolonged slump. Exxon Mobil claims that it still assesses the profitability of potential investments using the same assumptions about the long-term oil price as it did at the beginning of the decade, for fear that prices might tumble again. Environmental concerns are also an obstacle: America, for one, has banned oil production off most of its coastline.

Increasing nationalism on the part of oil-rich countries is adding to the difficulties. Geologists are convinced that there is still a lot of oil to be discovered in the Middle East and the former Soviet Union, but governments in both regions are reluctant to give outsiders access. Elsewhere, the most promising areas for exploration are also the most technically challenging: in deep water, or in the Arctic, or both. Although there have been big recent discoveries in such places, they will take longer to develop, and costs will be higher. The most expensive projects of all involve the extraction of oil from bitumen, shale and even coal, through elaborate processing. The potential for these is more or less unlimited, although analysts put the costs as high as $70 a barrel—more than the oil price this time last year.

Nonetheless, PFC Energy has examined projects that are already under way, and concluded that global oil production will grow by over 3m barrels a day (b/d) over the course of this year and next. In particular, it expects production outside OPEC to grow by about 500,000 b/d both years—a marked increase from the near stagnation of recent years.

Meanwhile, the high price is clearly beginning to crimp demand. The growth in global consumption last year was barely a quarter what it was in 2004 (see chart); this year, it is likely be even lower. In rich countries (or at least among the members of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), a rough proxy), the effect is even more pronounced. Consumption has been falling for the past two and a half years.

Poorer countries' demand for oil is still rising, albeit at a slowing pace. That is partly because their economies are growing faster, and partly because their consumers are shielded from the rising price through subsidies. But the increasing expense of such measures is forcing governments to water them down or scrap them altogether (see article). That, in turn, should further sap consumption.

Oil pique
China's growing thirst for oil is often put forward as one of the main factors behind today's higher oil prices. Demand for diesel there, for example, rose by over 9% in the year to April. But Mr Morse argues that such growth might not last. The government has ordered oil firms to increase their stocks of fuel by 50% to be sure there are no embarrassing shortages during the Olympics. It is also planning to run some power plants near Beijing on diesel rather than coal, in an attempt to reduce pollution during the games. These measures are helping to boost China's demand for diesel, but the effect will be transitory.

In the short run, neither demand for nor supply of oil is very elastic. It takes time for people to replace their old guzzlers with more fuel-efficient cars, or to switch to jobs with shorter commutes, or to move closer to public transport. By the same token, it can take ten years or more to develop an oilfield after its discovery—and that does not include the time firms need to bolster their exploration units.

Gary Becker, an economist at the University of Chicago, has calculated that in the past, over periods of less than five years, oil consumption in the OECD dropped by only 2-9% when the price doubled. Likewise, oil production in countries outside OPEC grew by only 4% every time the price doubled. But over longer periods, consumption dropped by 60% and supply rose by 35%. The precise numbers may be slightly different this time round, but the pattern will be the same.
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Re: Oil & Gas

Postby HengHeng » Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:02 pm

Simple english , as long as no reccession oil price will just go up and up
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Re: Oil & Gas

Postby helios » Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:22 pm

HengHeng wrote:Simple english , as long as no reccession oil price will just go up and up


adjective :arrow: shld be pumping up & up :lol:

going down: can say oil leaking down & down? :?:
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Re: Oil & Gas

Postby HengHeng » Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:10 am

Subscribe the paper back copy , easier on the eye than straining it on the screen. I think subscribe cheaper by 40% . Actually helps my analysis of the macro part of the economy.
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Re: Oil & Gas

Postby millionairemind » Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:18 am

If you like, look for those promotional newpaper stands that will give good discounts and some freebies, like a year of The Edge free kind of promotion.

I do endorse what HH said... Reading the magazine weekly for the last 5 yrs has helped me broaden my horizon.. Of course the idiot in me should have correlated POT, MON with the FARM BILL and Energy Independence Bill when it was first reported in The Economist 2 yrs ago.. haha.

The Economist is still way too expensive in Singapore. I got mine renewed on Singaporean terms at around $570 for 2 years. Prior to that, when I was living in the US, I got mine at USD90/year... that is about half the price of that in Singapore.
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Re: Oil & Gas

Postby blid2def » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:51 am

Is a Net Oil Export Hurricane Hitting the US Gulf Coast?
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Re: Oil & Gas

Postby winston » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:20 am

CRUDE OIL'S MAKE OR BREAK NUMBER by Brian Hunt

Crude oil's rise over the past 18 months will go down as one of the greatest runs in commodity history.

Starting in January 2007, the world's most important tradable commodity has gained 135%... and we hope you've profited from some of the unusual energy investments we've featured. But after such a huge run, is oil "overdone"?

The bull case for oil is this: Increasing Asian demand is meeting a lack of large, easy discoveries. The falling U.S. dollar drives the nominal price of crude higher. But no asset runs higher in a straight line... and oil's run from $55 to $130 is like a marathoner trying to sprint the entire race. So what's an oil bull to do now?

Our advice is to expect a pullback and consider the big picture. Oil could fall down to $80 a barrel and still be within the confines of a long uptrend. Until it breaks below that number, consider the bull market in crude to be alive and well.
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Re: Oil & Gas

Postby iam802 » Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:54 pm

Oil prices drop below $124 a barrel in Asia

- source http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080604/oil_pric ... ?printer=1
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Wednesday June 4, 1:23 am ET
By Thomas Hogue, AP Business Writer
Oil prices drop below $124 a barrel on demand concerns, comments from US Fed chairman

BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- Oil prices dropped below $124 a barrel Wednesday in Asia as demand concerns deepened and after Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke indicated that more U.S. interest rate cuts are unlikely.

Bernanke's comments suggesting inflation is too much of a concern to contemplate more rate hikes sent the dollar higher and raised questions about oil's ability to reach new highs in the short term. Bernanke signaled the Fed is inclined to leave rates where they are for now, but some analysts said he might be taking a step toward an eventual rise in rates later this year or early next year.

Midday in Singapore, light, sweet crude for July delivery was down 33 cents at $123.98 a barrel in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange. The contract fell $3.45 to settle at $124.31 a barrel in the previous session.

That was oil's lowest settlement price for a front-month contract on Nymex since May 15. Prices are now more than $11 below the trading record of $135.09 a barrel hit May 22.

Evidence continues to mount that oil prices nearly twice what they were a year ago have cut demand.

The latest MasterCard SpendingPulse survey found that demand for gasoline in the U.S. fell by 4.7 percent last week -- which included the long Memorial Day holiday weekend -- compared with the same week last year. Averaged over the last four weeks, demand was down 6 percent last week compared with last year.

That dovetails with recent data from the Energy Department and Federal Highway Administration, as well as several other surveys suggesting high prices are cutting Americans' appetite for fuel. The U.S. is by far the world's largest consumer of energy and oil products, and swings in demand there can have an outsized impact on global prices.

In another sign of the effects of high oil prices, General Motors Corp. said Tuesday it would close four truck and SUV plants in the U.S., Canada and Mexico as surging fuel prices hasten a dramatic shift to smaller vehicles.

"Investors are ... wondering if we've got to the point, with prices around $130 a barrel, if that's too much for consumers to bear," said Rachel Ziemba, an analyst at RGEMonitor.com in New York.

Also weighing on prices was the strengthening dollar, which bounced higher on Bernanke's comments in his speech via satellite to an international monetary conference in Spain.

Since last year, a series of Fed cuts designed to shore up the economy has led to a protracted decline in the dollar's value against the euro. That helped feed the record run-up in oil prices as investors bought commodities such as oil as a hedge against inflation.

But when the dollar strengthens, the effect reverses, and oil fell as the dollar gained against the euro and yen. In currency trading early afternoon Wednesday in Tokyo, the dollar was up slightly at around 105.20 to the yen, while the euro was holding steady near $1.5450.

"With Bernanke implying that there won't be ... more interest rate cuts, that removes one contributing factor that's been driving oil prices," Ziemba said.

Oil prices also fell on forecasts that U.S. oil and fuel supplies rose last week. Analysts polled by energy research firm Platts expect the U.S. Energy Department to report that oil inventories rose by 2.7 million barrels last week. The department's Energy Information Administration issues its weekly inventory report later Wednesday.

Many analysts have long questioned whether high oil prices could be sustained; many blame speculative investing fueled by the falling dollar for a near doubling of crude prices over the past year.

In other Nymex trading, heating oil futures were flat at $3.6396 a gallon while gasoline prices dropped 0.2 cent to $3.3505 a gallon. Natural gas futures fell 11.2 cents to $12.109 per 1,000 cubic feet.

July Brent crude dropped 38 cents to $124.20 a barrel on the ICE Futures exchange in London.

AP Business Writer John Wilen in New York contributed to this report.
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Re: Oil & Gas

Postby kennynah » Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:05 pm

802 : thanks for the article.

<<Oil prices dropped below $124 a barrel Wednesday in Asia as demand concerns deepened and after Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke indicated that more U.S. interest rate cuts are unlikely.>>

dont u find this amazing that this journalist can cite this as a reason for the slide in Oil prices? as if this is a new revelation.

<<In another sign of the effects of high oil prices, General Motors Corp. said Tuesday it would close four truck and SUV plants in the U.S., Canada and Mexico as surging fuel prices hasten a dramatic shift to smaller vehicles.>>

however, this above, like so many cases of turning points of the underlying, is a "loud" war casualty. Another example was that day when BSC became the casualty to the financial turmoil. So, just maybe, GM is big enuf to cause Oil to turn finally...but who knows.
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