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Re: DBS

Postby millionairemind » Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:42 pm

November 10, 2008, 12.22 pm (Singapore time)

Morgan Stanley cuts DBS' target price to $10/shr
By ANGELA TAN

SINGAPORE - Morgan Stanley on Monday cut DBS Group's target price to S$10 a share from $12.50, and reiterated its 'underweight' rating following the bank's third quarter 2008 results.

The US research house said 'valuations can go lower as the credit cycle intensifies and DBS confronts a number of challenges'.

It also cited earnings risk due to Singapore recession, lower core tier one capital than peers, impact on brand/franchise value from structured products fall out and internal restructuring.
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Re: DBS

Postby blid2def » Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:27 pm

Actually I was wondering the other day - how many of the staff DBS are cutting are actually contract staff?
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Re: DBS

Postby kennynah » Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:45 am

i asked my friend who is working dbs whether he is going to get the axe....he isnt sure....hahaha....i was surprised by his answer
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Re: DBS

Postby millionairemind » Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:55 am

This is going to hammer the price today...

Published November 21, 2008

DBS may need to raise new capital: Morgan Stanley
39 Asia-Pac banks tipped to issue new shares, sell assets or cut dividends

By CONRAD TAN

(SINGAPORE) Nearly 40 banks in Asia may need to raise new share capital, cut dividends, or sell assets to raise cash in the coming months, according to Morgan Stanley.

DBS Group, HSBC and Standard Chartered Bank are among the major banks in the region that are most likely to call for new capital, Morgan Stanley analysts Matthew Wilson and Anil Agarwal said in a report this week.

The reason? The analysts predict the unfolding financial crisis and the economic downturn ahead will focus regulators' attention on the most basic elements of banks' capital cushion - ordinary shareholders' equity and retained earnings - in assessing the banks' capacity to withstand losses.

By their reckoning, banks will need a core equity capital base of at least 9 per cent of their risk- weighted assets or what the banks lend out, adjusted for the varying risk on different types of loans.

That ratio is well above the current regulatory minimum of 6 per cent, but the analysts believe the financial crisis will result in tighter regulation and greater capital adequacy requirements in the months ahead.


Also, the regulatory minimum of 6 per cent applies to Tier 1 capital, which includes funds raised from the issue of debt-equity hybrid instruments such as preference shares.

Such instruments were a popular source of capital in good times, as banks sought to boost their returns on core equity by raising Tier 1 capital without expanding the size of their ordinary equity base.

'It used to be that less was better than more as bank management sought to financially engineer higher returns and investors demanded extra efficient allocation of capital in what was a very benign super-cycle. That now looks like history,' say the Morgan Stanley analysts.

'We believe the focus now returns to core equity Tier 1 as a more prudent, pure and hence higher- quality measure of capital adequacy.'

By their estimates, 39 banks operating in the Asia-Pacific - including DBS, HSBC, Maybank and Stanchart - have a core equity capital ratio of less than 9 per cent and may need to beef up their capital buffers by paying out less in dividends, selling assets, or issuing new ordinary shares.

DBS had a reported Tier 1 capital ratio of 9.7 per cent at the end of September, but Morgan Stanley's measure, which strips out preference shares, puts its core equity capital base at just 7.5 per cent of risk- weighted assets.

To reach a core equity capital ratio of 9 per cent, DBS would need to raise an additional US$1.9 billion, they estimate.

OCBC Bank and United Overseas Bank (UOB) are not among the 39 - they have a core equity capital ratio of 10.4 per cent and 9.3 per cent respectively, by Morgan Stanley's estimates, compared with their reported Tier 1 capital ratios of 14.4 per cent and 11.2 per cent at the end of September. When contacted, both OCBC and UOB said that they had no immediate plans to issue new shares, divest assets or change their dividend policy to boost capital. DBS did not respond to BT's queries by press time.

'Korean, Australian and regional banks - Standard Chartered, HSBC and DBS - show the highest risk of a capital call; generally these banks also grew fast, embraced gearing and new forms of capital,' say the Morgan Stanley analysts.

'They also confront difficult macro and credit cycles and the pro-cyclicality of Basel II,' they add, referring to a common criticism of the Basel II capital adequacy guidelines that give banks an incentive to set aside less capital in good times when the risk of default on loans is expected to be low.
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Re: DBS

Postby Cheng » Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:52 pm

millionairemind wrote:November 10, 2008, 12.22 pm (Singapore time)

Morgan Stanley cuts DBS' target price to $10/shr
By ANGELA TAN

SINGAPORE - Morgan Stanley on Monday cut DBS Group's target price to S$10 a share from $12.50, and reiterated its 'underweight' rating following the bank's third quarter 2008 results.

The US research house said 'valuations can go lower as the credit cycle intensifies and DBS confronts a number of challenges'.

It also cited earnings risk due to Singapore recession, lower core tier one capital than peers, impact on brand/franchise value from structured products fall out and internal restructuring.


Taking a reputation hit is quite bad, it would be better if it is a one-off loss of capital or something that does not affect their reputation. I wonder how many potential investors are having doubts about investing with them.

10yrs to build a good reputation, 1000+ mis-selling complaints to ruin it. :(
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Re: DBS

Postby Blackjack » Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:02 am

We are all forgetful people la... Chances are, when this crisis is behind us in a few years to come, we won't remember what DBS ever did... Except of the handful of people who got themselves burnt with the products.

Same for the men in white.
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Re: DBS

Postby iam802 » Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:22 pm

Today is supposed to be a day of rally.

But, DBS is now being hammered to less than $9!!

Maybe, they are trying to be cheaper than C.
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Re: DBS

Postby kennynah » Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:54 pm

base on exchange rate...almost there...so, when we think of it...does it make sense that DBS is almost at the same dollar amount as Citi?
imo, ridiculous...it's either C is way to cheap or DBS too dear...i think it is the latter...
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Re: DBS

Postby iam802 » Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:07 pm

Heavy selling today.

Even though the closing price is 9.20 above the support line, this 'last transaction' comes at the closing seconds (or minutes).

The last transaction I saw in the final minutes on my system was $8.99 :)

Is DBS holding too much toxic waste as well?

When C broke the $9 support, it goes all the way down to $3. If DBS does reach that level, I don't mind buying a bit and hold long long.


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Re: DBS

Postby durio » Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:53 pm

guess this is the 3rd time it went below $9, do people really bother if they are holding toxic waste?
i notice there seems to be accumulation going on ... there are selling and there are always folks willing to pick em up along the way.

is there a way of finding out who bought up @ 9.2 before closing? was it DBS themselves?
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