by winston » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:43 am
From GRP Thread:-
by cif5000 » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:15 am
Hi Lithium,
It's nice to see your interest in dividend as I am a huge dividend fan. Nowadays, my first criterion for having a stock is that it pays dividend. No dividend, don't bother. Why "invest" in a company that pays nothing? One may argue that he or she can simply sell part of the holdings to cash out, but I see that as an issue.
Firstly, the market has to be right in appraising the company all the time so that when you sell, the fluctuation will not result in an unfavorable price - i.e. a discount to its real worth, or at least reflecting the higher value, and that the appraisal also had to be right when you first bought it.
Secondly, the money from selling shares in the open market is not coming from the company. Someone else has to pay you a higher price for you to unload the shares to them. I would rather not to have the stock market to determine the "intrinsic value" but have the dividend do that job. That is, even if the market is mis-appraising the stock price, I am fine. I get my money regularly and I can choose to buy more shares in the same company, or in other companies, or simply spend them, in whichever way that suits me.
That means, without dividend, you need a market to be available to you when you need it and when it is available, the prices offered have to be right.
Thirdly, as long as the money is in the company, it is the money at management's disposal. Paying salary and directors' fees, renovating the office, buying cars, etc, you name them. It is management money although you own a pro-rata of it. Pay it out and it becomes the shareholders' money. This is a qualitative factor for judging management. What kind of respect do they give to the (minority) shareholders?
Fourthly, if a company has a track record of dividend, you can use that as a quantitative factor to judge the business. A surprise cut means something, but if there were no dividend to begin with, good or bad you wouldn't know.
If I could make a general conclusion...modern ideas have revolutionized the original idea of owning stocks to receive dividends. Since buying and selling stocks allow "investors" to realize gains and losses more easily, new concepts of stock valuations appeared. Participants embracing these new concepts buy and sell more frequently, resulting in the emergence of yet another group of predators.
These predators don't care about valuations because they know that valuations as a group is more of a mirage than a guiding beacon. They attempt to take advantage of these lost boats. Of course, there are predators who made it but many don't - just like those who attempt to buy stocks using funny valuation concepts.
It's all about "how much you made when you were right" & "how little you lost when you were wrong"