Gambler's Thread 01 (May 08 - Nov 10)

[eauyong]

It is definitely cleaner here, being smoke-free unlike those overseas.

[kennynah]

Without the 2 casinos, one could also play the one armed bandits at the Clubs or take the Star Cruise during the week-ends ...

of cos....but does it mean, we also should allow cocaine in singapore...afterall, it's just a flight to amsterdam/USA....

[winston]

If one wants to gamble in Singapore, they can do it online, go to a club to play the jackpot machines, take Star Cruise, go to Genting Highlands, buy 4d or contra on SGX. So a Casino is not really a big deal for these gamblers..

The 2 Casinos will keep the money inside Singapore and becuz of the Sin$100 Entrance Fee, it will deter most locals from going to the Casino..

This debate can go on and on

[kennynah]

yeap...the debate can continue...and my stand is very simple... keep casinos out of singapore or unseat the gahmen which sponsored this ill conceived idea to put 2 casinos here ....
others can shit in their country all they want...but i unwaiveringly disagree that we should allow others to shit in my backyard....or allow the gahmen to do us in

[winston]

Just like smoking and drinking, it's not good for our Health yet we allow it. Why ? That way we can control it and ensure that the product is safe so that people need not die from drinking moonshine, smoking low quality cigarettes etc..

Similarly, with gambling, it's better to control it rather than to allow it to go underground..

[kennynah]

then i suppose by your argument, we should also allow full blown prostitution to go unchecked....and encourage our daughters/sisters to enter such sinful livelihood...

no winston, i dont agree that we should encourage gambling as a social norm....

smoking is a personal choice, just like gambling...but any respectable gahmen, should deter harmful activities, which is the case with sales of cigerettes/tobacco/liquor via high taxes and restriction on tobacco advertising... instead, this gahmen is outright setting up gambling dens here... how can this be right?

you have been to and gambled in casinos to know how addictive and socially destructive this activity can be.... simply look at the misguided souls whose requests for cash advances get turned down by credit card companies at the casinos' money outlets...they chalked up so much debt that their credit limits have busted...

singapore is a very small country and with a severely wrong public policy, can cause it to retard in her progress by many years....

mark my words... the 2 casinos will cause us more problems than any economic gains they purported can bring about...

maybe you dont share my nauseating sentiments about opening casinos in singapore, since you already have a Genting in Malaysia... but i am being presumptuous here...

finally, dont get too worked up sparring with me on this ok...u know me lah....i say what's on my mind... certainly not making any personal attacks at your comments...

[Poles]

i have same sentiment as kenny......i guess SGP has drifted in the recent years......

[winston]

i dont agree that we should encourage gambling as a social norm....

Again, I dont think they are encouraging gambling as a social norm. The $100 entrance fee will deter a lot of Singaporeans from going there.

The die-hard gamblers would be gambling anyway, whether you have a casino or not eg jackpot machines, Online, Star Cruise, Genting, Underground Dens, SGX, 4D, Football etc.

And for prostitution, I think they allow Geylang so that they can control it. The girls have to go for Medical Checks regularly, they educate them to use condoms etc. If it goes underground, they would not be able to control the problem..

[kennynah]

Again, I dont think they are encouraging gambling as a social norm. The $100 entrance fee will deter a lot of Singaporeans from going there.

unlike cigarettes, where ever increasing taxes on tobacco serves to discourage smoking, a gahmen should not just discourage but deter its citizens from gambling... look at genting malaysia...surely you are aware that they do not welcome and in fact disallow malaysian muslims from entering their casinos.... the malaysian gahmen is wise to enact to impose this ruling on the bulk of malaysian population....

comparatively, malaysia is a larger geographically to singapore.... they built the casino high up in the mountain, which otherwise would be just another wasteland... in singapore, where land is relatively scarce, we allow the gahmen to build 2 casinos on primeland...marina south and sentosa... this is outrageous...

just like it is both a moral and legislated crime in singapore to live off the earnings of prostitution, i think it equally criminal to earn from casino operations....there's no difference here... in both cases, income generation is from morally sinful activities...

the $100 entrance fee cannot be an effective way to curb singaporeans from visiting and gambling in the 2 casinos... the gahmen can impose such $100 entry fee on singaporeans...but it cannot dictate nor control the casino operators from "returning" this $100 fee, eg in form of dead chips or some other incentives to mitigate the $100 entry fee...if gambling ships can think of such ingenious ways to "pay" for customers' ferry rides, Sands and Genting will device even more creative measures to draw gamblers to their dens...i have no doubt...wana bet?

a country is not formed by any gahmen....a country comprises its people, its citizens...and their aspirations...and it hardly sits well with me to think that singaporeans condone to having casinos in singapore...i like to believe that opening of 2 casinos is a mere bad public policy imposed gargantuanly onto a sheepish population by the current hunta

[Poles]

i dont agree that we should encourage gambling as a social norm....

Again, I dont think they are encouraging gambling as a social norm. The $100 entrance fee will deter a lot of Singaporeans from going there.

The die-hard gamblers would be gambling anyway, whether you have a casino or not eg jackpot machines, Online, Star Cruise, Genting, Underground Dens, SGX, 4D, Football etc.

And for prostitution, I think they allow Geylang so that they can control it. The girls have to go for Medical Checks regularly, they educate them to use condoms etc. If it goes underground, they would not be able to control the problem..

I think S$100 will only deter non-gambler.....
Are you sure prostitution is under control in SGP?? probably 10years ago, I would agree......