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Re: OCBC

Postby la papillion » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:10 pm

Based on historical data, the dividends per share (excluding extraordinary and special dividends) had been increasing steadily for the past 5 years. Since I still do not know how to valuate banks well, I might as well treat OCBC as a dividend yielding company. I'm not looking for extraordinary growth here, just hope to see enough income to beat inflation (~3-5% pa returns in the form of dividends) is good enough.

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Assuming that we have a pretty bad year in 2008, and OCBC has a EPS of 50 cts (do note that 1H08, OCBC's diluted EPS is already 53.3 cts). Assuming a dividend payout ratio of 35% (management mentioned payout of at least 45% of core net profit though), we can expect the DPS to be 18 cts. In order to have a dividend yield of 3% to 5%, we ought to buy OCBC at a price range of $3.6 to $6, with the lower price limit corresponding to a dividend yield of 5%. At this starting dividend, even if the EPS (and the corresponding dividend per share) do not increase, it's still very good.

If we look at the price to NAV (without valuation surplus), it ranges between a low P/NAV of 1.15 to 1.57. Based on 1H08, the NAV (without valuation surplus) is $4.60, so multiplying by these multiples, we get a price range of between $5.29 to 7.22.

Lastly, on a technical perspective, here's the chart for OCBC since 2003.

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Support levels can be found at 5.70 (Jul 2005 low). This seems to me to be a pretty strong level. The next lower level will be at $5, back to early 2003 level.

Summary:

1. $3.6 - $6 for a dividend yield of 3% to 5% (look at the assumptions made)
2. $5.3 - $7.2, based on P/NAV (without valuation surplus)
3. $5.70, if not $5, based on 5 yr chart
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Re: OCBC

Postby winston » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:18 pm

Hi La Pap,

Not vested.

The following are some of my notes and Target Price:-
1) Aberdeen was selling. For the latest transactions, please do check the SGX website.
2) Credit Suisse 6.75 Aug3
3) Citigroup 7.6 Aug 28 from 8.35 Aug 7 from 9.30 from 8.75 May 10 from 7.85 Feb 23 from 7.20 Nov 15
4) CIMB 8.28 Aug 8 from 9.67 mar 4 Feb 22 from 9.33 Feb 19 from 11 Jan 7 Nov7 from 6.83 Oct5 fr 6.55 Aug17
5) Macquarie 9.1 Dec 4 from 8.9 Apr 2 from 7.65 Jan 15
6) GS 9.7 Jul 17 from 9 Feb 22 Jan 30 from 10 Feb 14 from 7.7 Feb 8 from 7.2 Nov 15
7) Kim Eng 8.86 Aug 29 Aug 8 from 8.7 May 8 from 8.5 Feb 22 from 9.9 Jan 7 from 10 Aug 10 from 7.8 Nov 15
8) UOB Kay Hian 9.8 Oct 20 Oct 7 Sep 16 Aug 8 from 12.4 Jun 16 PE 12 May 16 May 8 from 12.5 Apr 9 from 11.4 Feb
9) UBS 7.1 Oct 17 from 7.4 from 10 Apr 3
10) Merrill 9.5 Feb 23
11) FPK 9.3 Feb 23
12) Phillips 9.3 Feb 22 from 10.9 Nov 7 from 10.2 Apr 5
13) DBS 6.9 Oct 15 from 9.6 Oct 2 from 9.7 Jul 16 Jul 1 from 9.8 May 20 from 9 Apr 1 from 9.3 Feb 22 from 10.4 Feb 5
14) OCBC 7.8 Oct 14 from 8 Sep 11 from 8.1 Aug 8 from 8.8 Jul 24 from 8.7 Jul 15 from 9.8 Jul 8 from 10 May 26
15) DMG 9.6 Sep 3 from 10 Aug 8 Jul 16 Jun 11
16) DB 10.3 Sep 3

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Re: OCBC

Postby la papillion » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:38 pm

Thanks W :) You really have a huge store of data at your fingertips, amazing :)
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Re: OCBC

Postby winston » Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:59 pm

Not vested.

Singapore Hot Stocks-OCBC falls on concern about insurance arm

SINGAPORE, Oct 29 (Reuters) - Shares of Overseas-Chinese Banking Corp fell 1.8 percent on Wednesday, bucking gains by other lenders on concerns its performance will be hurt by insurance arm Great Eastern .

Around 0350 GMT, OCBC was down 1.8 percent compared with gains of 3.3 percent by United Overseas Bank and 6.3 percent by DBS Group percent.

DBS is not involved in insurance while UOB's insurance business is relatively small compared with Great Eastern, the largest life insurer in Singapore and Malaysia.

RBS analyst Trevor Kalcic, who has a "hold" recommendation on OCBC and "buy" calls on DBS and UOB, said OCBC had poorer earnings visibility.

"The group's life insurance earnings are being weighed down by expanding credit spreads and some other life insurance peculiarities," he wrote.

OCBC's "relative over-valuation versus DBS limits upside potential in our view," he added.

A trader with a local brokerage said the Singapore banks' share price movements also reflected a correction of previous price changes, noting government-linked DBS had fallen much more than the two family-controlled lenders.
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Re: OCBC

Postby kgaihc » Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:00 am

did a technical analysis for OCBC.. feel free to comment..

http://ainvestor.blogspot.com/2008/11/o ... -corp.html
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Re: OCBC

Postby la papillion » Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:38 am

Great eastern didn't do too good. 9 mths net profits went down 50%, but 3Q yoy was up.

Nov 5th is the date of release for ocbc's results.
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Re: OCBC

Postby blid2def » Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:23 am

kgaihc wrote:did a technical analysis for OCBC.. feel free to comment..

http://ainvestor.blogspot.com/2008/11/o ... -corp.html


If you draw a trend line down connecting the highs of 14, 15, 17, 21 Oct, you'll see a potential resistance that could constrain the breakout you're looking for. Probably will be something like 5.40++ level. Just look out for that if you wish to trade this breakout.

Personally, I've no idea if patterns work well over such short timeframes (5 days in this case).
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Re: OCBC

Postby kennynah » Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:44 am

kgaihc wrote:did a technical analysis for OCBC.. feel free to comment..

http://ainvestor.blogspot.com/2008/11/o ... -corp.html


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Re: OCBC

Postby kgaihc » Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:36 am

grandrake wrote:
kgaihc wrote:did a technical analysis for OCBC.. feel free to comment..

http://ainvestor.blogspot.com/2008/11/o ... -corp.html


If you draw a trend line down connecting the highs of 14, 15, 17, 21 Oct, you'll see a potential resistance that could constrain the breakout you're looking for. Probably will be something like 5.40++ level. Just look out for that if you wish to trade this breakout.

Personally, I've no idea if patterns work well over such short timeframes (5 days in this case).


Thanks.. yes.. the trend line down.. currently is similar to the 14dMA.. and i also agree that it may be too short for a pattern :)
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Re: OCBC

Postby kgaihc » Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:38 am

kennynah wrote:
kgaihc wrote:did a technical analysis for OCBC.. feel free to comment..

http://ainvestor.blogspot.com/2008/11/o ... -corp.html


hi kgaihc,

do consider reciprocating our allowing you to advertise your blog, by placing Huatopedia's link ( http://www.wookup.com/huatopedia) in your blog...

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